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#22201 28-07-20 06:17

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

mekaniko escribió:
Steven escribió:

Una consulta por favor estimados. Con el dólar obs. de fecha 28-07-20 =768,81. La distribución de fondos de todo el sistema sería esta:
                    USD
Fondo A    25.808.318.900  (5°)
Fondo B    31.349.479.393  (4°)
Fondo C    71.469.696.105  (1°)
Fondo D    37.830.262.045  (3°)
Fondo E    44.230.574.557  (2°)

Para el caso de Habitat, la cartera de inversión es la siguiente (copié los % que indican los gráficos de la AFP, casi suman 100%)

          R.F. Ext    R.V. Ext    R.F. Nac.    R.V. Nac.    Extranjera    Nacional
Fondo A    17,80%    65,55%    3,36%    12,94%    83,35%    16,30%
Fondo B    19,16%    48,50%    21,76%    10,40%    67,66%    32,16%
Fondo C    16,88%    31,75%    44,02%    6,70%    48,63%    50,72%
Fondo D    13,75%    15,43%    67,38%    2,65%    29,18%    70,03%
Fondo E    13,70%    2,51%    81,70%    1,43%    16,21%    83,13%

¿Se podrá generalizar esa cartera de Habitat para todos los Multifondos del Sistema?

Si se pudiera daría la siguiente distribución:
                 USD                  Extranjero              Nacional
Fondo A    25.808.318.900        21.511.233.804      4.206.755.981
Fondo B    31.349.479.393        21.211.057.757     10.081.992.573
Fondo C    71.469.696.105        34.755.713.216            36.249.429.864
Fondo D    37.830.262.045        11.038.870.465             26.492.532.510
Fondo E    44.230.574.557        7.169.776.136             36.768.876.629
    210.688.331.000           

Entonces, por el tema del 10% ¿Convendrá más estar en el E o D que en el C o en el A? Digo porque el E y D tendrían menor inversión extranjera. y los que estén en el C pueden verse afectados por la liquidación en el extranjero y el efecto que tengan la posible abundancia de dólares que haga bajar el usdclp y así el A o C ....

Pregunto porque como dice Masterdba,  las afp liquidarían en el extranjero para no afectar el mercado local, pero afectarían los dólares que traerían.

Bueno eso... saludos y que estén bien


Que fecha tiene esa distribucion?
Porque hasta mayo el fondo E tenia un 94% de inversión nacional y veo q aumentó notablemente la inversion extranjera. Tb que todos los fondos tienen similar porcentaje de renta fija extranjera.


Para el total de los fondos, tomé los totales que aparecen cuando uno consulta el valor cuota, tomé el de todas las afp para el valor del patrimonio de cada fondo, al consultar el valor cuota publicado ayer.    La distribución la saqué de Habitat, con la cartera de inversión al mes de junio 2020


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22202 28-07-20 06:46

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Cartera de inversión fondo A junio 2020, Habitat
https://www.afphabitat.cl/fondos/carter … 0-fondo-a/


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22203 28-07-20 07:42

mekaniko
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Steven escribió:

Cartera de inversión fondo A junio 2020, Habitat
https://www.afphabitat.cl/fondos/carter … 0-fondo-a/

Seria bueno hacer un grafico de como han variado los porcentajes de renta fija nacional y extranjera y renta variable nacional y extranjera este año. Comparado con mayo la inversion extranjera del fondo E aumento de 10 a 16% y este mes con lo del retiro probablemente mas. Esto serviria para un menor impacto en la bolsa local y renta fija, aumentando el posible golpe al fondo A y B


Atafp2016@gmail.com
"Lo malo de un cambio de fondo, es que no sabremos si fue un buen cambio, hasta el día siguiente de hacer otro cambio"

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#22204 28-07-20 09:55

Glein
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

mekaniko escribió:
Steven escribió:

Cartera de inversión fondo A junio 2020, Habitat
https://www.afphabitat.cl/fondos/carter … 0-fondo-a/

Seria bueno hacer un grafico de como han variado los porcentajes de renta fija nacional y extranjera y renta variable nacional y extranjera este año. Comparado con mayo la inversion extranjera del fondo E aumento de 10 a 16% y este mes con lo del retiro probablemente mas. Esto serviria para un menor impacto en la bolsa local y renta fija, aumentando el posible golpe al fondo A y B

Estimado, dado que la baja del dolar sera transitoria y como le darán preferencia a la venta de activos en el extranjero, los que tenian un mejor rendimiento, al recuperarse el dolar sumado a la adquisicion de nuevos activos de RFext , de mejor rendimiento, no significaria un potencial aumento a estos fondos?, post caida claramente.

en lo personal veo una oportunidad de cambio a estos fondos post caida


Ex Padawan en  Renta Fija........ Hoy Garante del sistema :)

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#22205 28-07-20 10:10

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

A lo mejor sería conveniente el esperar y ver?
Así después habría algo más para retirar como 10%, en la subida después de la caída, y mientras tanto se pueden hacer cambios normales por decirlo de una forma....., pensando en voz alta...


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22206 28-07-20 10:17

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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Glein escribió:
mekaniko escribió:
Steven escribió:

Cartera de inversión fondo A junio 2020, Habitat
https://www.afphabitat.cl/fondos/carter … 0-fondo-a/

Seria bueno hacer un grafico de como han variado los porcentajes de renta fija nacional y extranjera y renta variable nacional y extranjera este año. Comparado con mayo la inversion extranjera del fondo E aumento de 10 a 16% y este mes con lo del retiro probablemente mas. Esto serviria para un menor impacto en la bolsa local y renta fija, aumentando el posible golpe al fondo A y B

Estimado, dado que la baja del dolar sera transitoria y como le darán preferencia a la venta de activos en el extranjero, los que tenian un mejor rendimiento, al recuperarse el dolar sumado a la adquisicion de nuevos activos de RFext , de mejor rendimiento, no significaria un potencial aumento a estos fondos?, post caida claramente.

en lo personal veo una oportunidad de cambio a estos fondos post caida

Después de todos los supuestos que hicimos tiempo atrás... que sp500 ya tenia tope, que que tasas están ya muy bajas, que dolar aqui y alla. Muy pocos se cumplieron. Los supuestos son solo eso, la realidad , el dia a dia es otra cosa. Los supuestos no consideran todos los cambios que se van produciendo con el tiempo y quedan solo en eso

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#22207 28-07-20 11:00

Glein
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

benjamax escribió:
Glein escribió:
mekaniko escribió:

Seria bueno hacer un grafico de como han variado los porcentajes de renta fija nacional y extranjera y renta variable nacional y extranjera este año. Comparado con mayo la inversion extranjera del fondo E aumento de 10 a 16% y este mes con lo del retiro probablemente mas. Esto serviria para un menor impacto en la bolsa local y renta fija, aumentando el posible golpe al fondo A y B

Estimado, dado que la baja del dolar sera transitoria y como le darán preferencia a la venta de activos en el extranjero, los que tenian un mejor rendimiento, al recuperarse el dolar sumado a la adquisicion de nuevos activos de RFext , de mejor rendimiento, no significaria un potencial aumento a estos fondos?, post caida claramente.

en lo personal veo una oportunidad de cambio a estos fondos post caida

Después de todos los supuestos que hicimos tiempo atrás... que sp500 ya tenia tope, que que tasas están ya muy bajas, que dolar aqui y alla. Muy pocos se cumplieron. Los supuestos son solo eso, la realidad , el dia a dia es otra cosa. Los supuestos no consideran todos los cambios que se van produciendo con el tiempo y quedan solo en eso

Claro, mas que supuestos por si solos la idea es plantearse escenarios y como reaccionar en caso que se concreten, al final como dices en el dia a dia lo que vale es la capacidad de reacción y plantearse los escenarios es un aporte a ello. Ahora claramente caemos en los riesgos de que los escenarios mas "probables" sean los que nunca se hagan realidad


Ex Padawan en  Renta Fija........ Hoy Garante del sistema :)

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#22208 28-07-20 14:25

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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

felices y forrados pasa del 50 del a al 25


Recien aprendiendo a nadar en el oceano bursatil.....

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#22209 28-07-20 14:46

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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Buenas tardes
Quise cambiar de fondo  a esta hora y al parecer esta bloqueado

Alguien más tiene este problema?

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#22210 28-07-20 14:46

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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

me aparece este mensaje

Cuenta no disponible para solicitar Cambio o Distribución de fondo.

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#22211 28-07-20 16:46

JMME
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

En Habitat no se puede entrar.
En Capital hay


"La ambición rompe el saco"

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#22212 28-07-20 17:28

benjamax
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Forastero escribió:

felices y forrados pasa del 50 del a al 25

Y donde envio el 25%?

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#22213 28-07-20 17:30

tatolio
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

benjamax escribió:
Forastero escribió:

felices y forrados pasa del 50 del a al 25

Y donde envio el 25%?

Al E


vamos que se puede

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#22214 28-07-20 19:25

kurt69
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

mmmmm
pagina sigue caida en habitat

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#22215 29-07-20 04:40

hirasei
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

A esta hora está disponible el cambio de fondos en hábitat. Seguramente más gente quiere hacer sus cambios en la noche y en la mañana el sistema está más libre. Saludos

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#22216 29-07-20 09:56

JMME
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Para Habitat funciona mejor la app


"La ambición rompe el saco"

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#22217 30-07-20 07:53

benjamax
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Hoy era un dia duro para el A, si esto no cambia mucho en el dia.

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#22218 30-07-20 11:28

Ultra
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Suavizo el SPY y se dio vuelta el USD, que sino esto terminaba -1,5%

benjamax escribió:

Hoy era un dia duro para el A, si esto no cambia mucho en el dia.

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#22219 30-07-20 12:33

JTRADER
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

El irresponsabe de F&F mando a toda la gente al E un dia antes del retiro del 10%.-

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#22220 30-07-20 15:14

Efe07
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

¿Lo irresponsable es sólo por cambiarse en esta coyuntura?  o por cambiarse (25%) del A al E?


JTRADER escribió:

El irresponsabe de F&F mando a toda la gente al E un dia antes del retiro del 10%.-

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#22221 30-07-20 18:55

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Hola estimados, dejo gráfico semanal que incluye estimaciones
47316_20200730_habitat_a_semanal.png
Se ve próximo a parte inferior de canal alcista, hay que ver si se mantiene o pasa de largo. Aunque con el PIB trimestral de USA es muy probable que rompa el canal

Saludos


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22222 30-07-20 21:09

verberr
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Steven escribió:

Hola estimados, dejo gráfico semanal que incluye estimaciones
http://www.chilebolsa.com/foro/uploads/ … emanal.png
Se ve próximo a parte inferior de canal alcista, hay que ver si se mantiene o pasa de largo. Aunque con el PIB trimestral de USA es muy probable que rompa el canal

Saludos


Si se viniera una fuerte caída como la anterior es preferible postergar decision de retirar el 10% para no perder alza! Por el bloqueo q conlleva el retiro!

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#22223 31-07-20 06:19

CAÑA
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Gracias por la grafica  Steven

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#22224 31-07-20 06:30

asusa98
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Steven escribió:

Hola estimados, dejo gráfico semanal que incluye estimaciones
http://www.chilebolsa.com/foro/uploads/ … emanal.png
Se ve próximo a parte inferior de canal alcista, hay que ver si se mantiene o pasa de largo. Aunque con el PIB trimestral de USA es muy probable que rompa el canal

Saludos

El "cabezazo" para mi... ya se lo mandó hace 2 días atrás.... salu2

4810_2020_07_31.png

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#22225 31-07-20 06:44

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

asusa98 escribió:
Steven escribió:

Hola estimados, dejo gráfico semanal que incluye estimaciones
http://www.chilebolsa.com/foro/uploads/ … emanal.png
Se ve próximo a parte inferior de canal alcista, hay que ver si se mantiene o pasa de largo. Aunque con el PIB trimestral de USA es muy probable que rompa el canal

Saludos

El "cabezazo" para mi... ya se lo mandó hace 2 días atrás.... salu2

http://www.chilebolsa.com/foro/uploads/ … _07_31.png

Ohhh gracias Asusa. Thumbs up

Saludos


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22226 31-07-20 09:22

josftx
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Donde puedo ver las tasas BCU-5 Y 10 en tiempo real??

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#22228 31-07-20 09:34

Don Guille
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

josftx escribió:

Donde puedo ver las tasas BCU-5 Y 10 en tiempo real??

lo más cercano que yo conozco (y uso para estimaciones del FE) son los benchmarks de RF de la bolsa:

https://www.bolsadesantiago.com/benchmark_indices

A la izquierda hay que seleccionar el botón "benchmarks" y en la lista al lado puedes encontrar, dentro de muchas, las que emulan BCU-5 (UF-04 o UF-05) y BCU-10 (UF-10)

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#22229 31-07-20 19:08

Steven
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

El pseudoA, rompiendo soporte de RSI

https://www.tradingview.com/x/40UgsV4Y/

Habitat A, semanal

Ojalá rebote, pero me parece difícil. Ojalá rebote en la ema(9) semanal
47316_20200731_habitat_a_semanal.png


La rentabilidad es variable, por lo que nada garantiza que las rentabilidades pasadas se repitan en el futuro.

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#22230 03-08-20 06:40

guti
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Re: Análisis técnico fondos de pensiones

Alguien ya le da el ingreso a FA?

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